周三晚上,副总统卡玛拉·哈里斯在宾夕法尼亚州阿斯顿的市政厅回答了选民的提问,她在这场预计将非常激烈的选举中向美国人做最后一次宣传。
由CNN的安德森·库珀主持的市政厅,给了她回应和利用的机会约翰·凯利的评论,唐纳德·特朗普的前幕僚长,他本周在接受《纽约时报》采访时表示,他的前老板符合“法西斯主义者”的定义。
这位前海军陆战队将军还说,特朗普多次告诉他,阿道夫·希特勒“做了一些好事”。
库珀没有回避这个话题,在讨论的最前面直截了当地问哈里斯,“你认为唐纳德·特朗普是法西斯吗?”
“是的,我愿意。是的,我知道。我也相信在这个问题上最了解他的人应该得到信任,”哈里斯回答说,他指的是凯利。
她还思考了为什么这位授勋将军会觉得有必要在选举日的两周前将他的担忧公之于众。
“为什么他现在告诉美国人民?”哈里斯反问,然后回答说:“坦率地说,我认为这是...他只是给美国人民打了一个911电话。”
哈里斯已经被复兴消息传递关于特朗普对美国民主的所谓威胁,这是她在巡回演讲中经常听到的论点的一部分,即特朗普不适合担任公职。
周三下午,她在镜头前首次对凯利的评论做出反应,称特朗普“越来越精神错乱和不稳定”。
“唐纳德·特朗普会援引阿道夫·希特勒,这个要为600万犹太人和数十万美国人的死亡负责的人,这令人深感不安,也极其危险,”她补充道。“所有这些都进一步向美国人民证明了唐纳德·特朗普到底是谁。”
副总统警告说,如果特朗普在白宫赢得另一个任期,可能会出现不受制约的权力。
“在第二个任期内,像约翰·凯利这样的人不会成为他的倾向和行为的护栏,”她说。“那些曾经试图阻止他追求最糟糕的冲动的人将不再存在,也不再能够控制他,”哈里斯周三下午说。
市政厅也给了哈里斯一个动摇最后一部分选民的机会,这些选民可能对她处理总统工作的能力有疑问——特别是因为宾夕法尼亚州是一个关键的战场州。
这包括回答她的总统任期与乔·拜登总统的总统任期有何不同的问题,她回答说,“我的政府不会是拜登政府的延续。我把我自己的想法和经验带到了这个角色中。在许多问题上,我代表着新一代领导人,我认为我们必须采取新的方法。”
她列举了自己过去在止赎危机方面的工作,以及保护房主免受掠夺性贷款的计划。
后来在市政厅,哈里斯在回答一个关于巴勒斯坦平民在加沙被杀的问题时,直截了当地称特朗普为“法西斯分子”,哈里斯称这是“不合情理的”,选择留在家里或抗议投票的选民认为许多人不是单一问题的选民。
“听着,我不否认人们的强烈感受,”哈里斯说。“我不知道任何看过这些照片的人会不会对所发生的事情有强烈的感受,更不用说那些有亲人、已经死亡和被杀害的人了。我和我认识一些人,我也和他们交谈过,所以我很感激。”
“但我也知道,对于许多关心这个问题的人来说,他们也关心降低食品杂货的价格,”哈里斯说。“他们也关心我们的民主,不关心有一个崇拜独裁者和法西斯主义者的美国总统。他们还关心这样一个事实,即我们需要一位愿意代表美国人民而不是他们自己的领导人提出切实可行的常识性解决方案。他们想要一个关心对自己的身体做出决定的基本自由的总统,理解我们并不试图改变任何人的信仰,但让我们不要让政府告诉女性如何对待自己的身体。”
哈里斯谈到了支持小企业主的必要性,称他们是“美国经济的支柱”,并表示她的方法将包括减税,让小企业“投资于自身,实现增长,并在此过程中投资于社区,投资于社区,并加强我们的整体经济。”
她讨论了将她照顾生病母亲和抚养孩子的经验带到工作中,“这就是为什么我的计划和方法说,嘿,你不应该为了获得医疗补助而耗尽所有积蓄。”
库珀还就她提到的更具体的政策向哈里斯施压,包括为南部边境的隔离墙拨款6.5亿美元的妥协。他问道,“在特朗普治下,你批评边境墙超过50次。你说它愚蠢、无用,是中世纪的虚荣项目。一堵边境墙是不是很蠢?”
哈里斯回答说:“那我们就来谈谈唐纳德·特朗普和那堵边境墙吧。记得他说过墨西哥会为此买单吗?他们没有。他造了多少?我想我最后看到的数字大概是2%。”
她继续说道:“我将提出一项两党合作的法案,以进一步加强和保护我们的边境。是的,我是。我将跨党派努力,通过一项全面的法案,处理一个破碎的移民系统。”
哈里斯解释说,“美国一直有移民,但需要有一个合法的程序。人们必须去赢得它。我认为这是最重要的一点,那就是我们需要一个基于常识和实际结果的总统。”
Harris slams Trump as 'fascist,' says John Kelly is 'putting out a 911 call' to Americans
Vice President Kamala Harris answered questions from voters at a town hall in Aston, Pennsylvania, on Wednesday night as she makes a final pitch to Americans in what is expected to be a razor-thin election.
The town hall, moderated by CNN's Anderson Cooper, gave her the chance to respond to and capitalize oncomments made by John Kelly,the former chief of staff to Donald Trump, who said this week in an interview with The New York Times that his old boss fit the definition of a "fascist."
The former Marine general also said that Trump had told him multiple times that Adolf Hitler had "done some good things."
Cooper did not avoid the topic, asking Harris point-blank at the top of the discussion, "Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?"
"Yes, I do. Yes, I do. And I also believe that the people who know him best on this subject should be trusted," Harris replied, referencing Kelly.
She also reflected on why the decorated general might have felt the need to bring his concerns to light just two weeks prior to Election Day.
"Why is he telling the American people now?" Harris questioned rhetorically, before answering: "Frankly, I think of it as... he's just putting out a 911 call to the American people."
Harris has already beenreviving messagingabout Trump's supposed threat to American democracy as part of an argument -- frequently heard in her stump speeches -- that Trump is unfit for office.
She returned to that pattern by calling Trump "increasingly unhinged and unstable" in her first on-camera reaction to Kelly's comments on Wednesday afternoon.
"It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump would invoke Adolf Hitler, the man who is responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews and hundreds of thousands of Americans," she added. "All of this is further evidence for the American people of who Donald Trump really is."
The vice president warned of the potential for unchecked power if Trump were to win another term in the White House.
"In a second term, people like John Kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions," she said. "Those who once tried to stop him from pursuing his worst impulses would no longer be there and no longer be there to rein him in," Harris said Wednesday afternoon.
The town hall also gave Harris a chance to sway the last sliver of the electorate who may have questions about her ability to handle the job of the presidency -- especially because Pennsylvania is a key battleground state.
That included responding to questions about how her presidency would be different from President Joe Biden's, to which she answered, "My administration will not be a continuation of the Biden administration. I bring to this role my own ideas and my own experience. I represent a new generation of leadership on a number of issues and believe we have to actually take new approaches."
She cited her past work on the foreclosure crisis and her plans to protect homeowners from predatory lending.
Later in the town hall, Harris outright called Trump a "fascist" while answering a question on Palestinian civilians being killed in Gaza, which Harris called "unconscionable," and voters choosing to stay home or protest vote over the war, arguing that many are not single-issue voters.
"Listen, I am not going to deny the strong feelings that people have," Harris said. "I don't know that anyone who has seen the images who would not have strong feelings about what has happened, much less those who have relatives, who have died and been killed. And I and I know people and I've talked with people, so I appreciate that."
"But I also do know that for many people who care about this issue, they also care about bringing down the price of groceries," Harris argued. "They also care about our democracy and not having a president of the United States who admires dictators and is a fascist. They also care about the fact that we need practical, common-sense solutions from a leader who is willing to work across the aisle on behalf of the American people and not themselves. They want a president who cares about a fundamental freedom to make decisions about your own body, understanding that we're not trying to change anyone's belief, but let's not have the government telling women what to do with their body."
Harris spoke of the need to support small-business owners, calling them "the backbone of the American economy," and stated that her approach would include tax cuts that would allow small businesses to "invest in themselves, and grow, and in the process invest in communities, invest in neighborhoods, and strengthen our economy overall."
She discussed bringing to the job her experience of taking care of her sick mother and of raising children, "which is why my plan and my approach says, hey, you shouldn't have to wipe out all your savings to qualify for Medicaid."
Cooper also pressed Harris on more specific policies that she has mentioned, including a compromise to set aside $650 million in funding for a wall at the southern border. He asked, "Under Trump, you criticized the border wall more than 50 times. You called it stupid, useless, and a medieval vanity project. Is a border wall stupid?"
Harris answered, "Well let's talk about Donald Trump and that border wall. Remember he said Mexico would pay for it? Well, they didn't. How much did he build? I think the last number I saw is about 2%."
She continued, "I am going to bring forward that bipartisan bill to further strengthen and secure our borders. Yes, I am. And I am going to work across the aisle to pass a comprehensive bill that deals with a broken immigration system."
Harris explained, "America has always had migration, but there needs to be a legal process for it. People have to earn it. And that's the point that I think is the most important point that can be made, which is that we need a president who is grounded in common sense and practical outcomes."